E42: The VIP Café Show with Donna McColley - From Grief to Advocacy: A Mother's Journey Through Theater to Combat Addiction

Sitting with Donna McCauley at the Havana House, we're reminded of the warmth and resilience that can emanate from the most tragic circumstances. Our discussion centers on Donna's transformation from a grieving mother to a fierce advocate in the wake of her daughter Amanda's battle with addiction—a narrative that is both harrowing and inspiring. Donna's creation of a play based on Amanda's life is not just a heartfelt tribute but a potent educational piece on the dangers of drug use, particularly the lethal threat posed by fentanyl. We uncover the play's potential to resonate deeply with audiences when it debuts at Powers Auditorium on October 11th, highlighting the urgent need to shift perceptions of drug use among the young and old alike.

The tapestry of Donna's experience is woven with threads of pain and purpose—Amanda's untimely departure due to drugs laced with fentanyl has kindled a fire in her to foster open dialogue and community support on addiction. In our conversation, we dissect the complex nature of supporting loved ones through their struggles, emphasizing the indispensable role of storytelling in the healing process. Donna's dedication to altering the addiction narrative through various initiatives, including billboard campaigns featuring Amanda's image, underscores a message of hope and action. This chapter of our chat is a compelling call to address addiction with compassion and understanding rather than disgrace.

As we reminisce about Amanda's dreams, love for acting, and passion for the movie "Selena," the human element of our discussion casts a poignant shadow on the loss suffered by those touched by addiction. Personal reflections on seasonal changes and the comforts of simple pleasures like McDonald's fries add a layer of relatability to the conversation. The episode concludes with an invitation to visit wakeupcall.org, a resource for those seeking to combat prescription drug addiction. We leave our listeners with a sense of connection and a call to be part of a future where addiction does not extinguish our youth's aspirations.

Chapters

• 0:06 A Play to Combat Addiction
• 12:43 Fostering Support for Addiction
• 19:20 Raising Awareness About Prescription Drug Addiction
• 28:16 Discussion About Amanda and Movie Preferences

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:06

Welcome to the VIP Cafe show. Hey, Debbie, how you doing hey.

Speaker 2: 0:11

I'm good. How are you?

Speaker 1: 0:12

Debbie Larson, my excellent co-host I'm Greg Smith. I hope everybody's having a wonderful day or had a wonderful day.

Speaker 2: 0:20

Whenever you listen, it's been beautiful today. It is A little chilly still, but with sunshine.

Speaker 1: 0:24

It is. We've been getting a lot of Seattle weather, whether it's like in the 40s and 50s and 60s. It's a wonderful place to live.

Speaker 3: 0:33

There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 1: 0:35

We're here at the Vanna House, where they have amazing coffee.

Speaker 2: 0:38

They have amazing smokes. Selection of cigars yes, if you'd like to indulge?

Speaker 1: 0:43

in that it's a great place to hang out and be with people.

Speaker 2: 0:49

The people know you by name when they come in. I see that happening a lot and, yeah, it's a very relaxed place.

Speaker 1: 0:56

Yes, so tell me, debbie, we have a guest today, don't we?

Speaker 2: 1:00

Yes, and I'm super excited to introduce you to today's guest, Donna McCauley. She is the mother of Amanda McCauley, who you may have seen on the billboards around town that say don't use the F word. They were all over town with a beautiful picture of a girl on there. We have her mom here today to talk about her story, but also she's in the middle of writing a play that's going to be played like they're going to do it later this year here in downtown Youngston.

Speaker 1: 1:29

Oh, okay, Donna how are you doing?

Speaker 3: 1:31

today I'm good, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:32

So tell us what you're going to. You're writing a play.

Speaker 3: 1:36

I am writing a play. We start this week. After the walk and the donations and the help from people, I was able to hire a writer, michael Forney, and he is writing my daughter's story and we're putting it into a play. He's going to direct and produce it and it's October 11th and the powers.

Speaker 1: 2:01

Right, you said it's at powers auditorium.

Speaker 3: 2:03

October 11th and the reason for the play knew. I wanted to write her story because I want to show not just kids, but that is my main goal is to. I wanted to get in the schools at first.

Speaker 3: 2:18

As soon as my daughter died. I just said something has to happen. We got to get to kids because addiction is horrible. What it does to you, it destroys your brain, your life, and we have to stop addiction before it starts the schools. And I know everybody says you can't scare kids, you can't lecture kids, and so I thought, when I thought of her story, I thought a play is a great way for, after it's written and we're going to we're going to do it in Youngstown. I would like the, the program or what's the word I would say production for high school students to perform the play for the younger kids and their community. I'd like to take it all across the country. I think it's a great way to show kids her story. She's got an amazing story why don't you?

Speaker 1: 3:14

why don't you? Let the audience about the story if you don't mind okay, amanda stories.

Speaker 3: 3:19

I personally I think so many kids in school has a huge impact on kids and we the my problem with schools and, not to put anybody, I think this whole fentanyl is hitting us all, wow, and nobody really knows how to tackle it. There are a lot of organizations out there doing their best and, of course, senator Brown what he's doing, but if we got a change the way kids are, that generation were brought up where drugs are cool and even I'm 61 years old we had the luxury of being able to try drugs and like them or not like them, we could get off if we wanted to. Today you can't try. You could try a street drug and it doesn't really have to be a street drug. Somebody can hand you a drug that that is a prescription, but it could be laced also. It goes through so many hands. Yeah, you just kid, you can't try drugs.

Speaker 2: 4:25

We even show our kids that even since the walk I interviewed a guy and we were supposed to have him as a guest on this show. He just won. He was at a major, great point of his career, about to do some big things nationwide. He was he knew your daughter and we're gonna get into her story here in a minute. But he knew your daughter, we talked about it. He came back to the area to really bring the mark, the market for this thing that he helped invent and he met his old dealer and he, let's say, he started reusing coke in November, right around Thanksgiving, and beef in the beginning of December.

Speaker 2: 5:11

He got lace drugs and he was dead just like that within less than a week of me talking to him, he was dead because of lace drugs, and that frustrates me so much. And so then I really began to really be angry at the dealers, as the last text that he sent to his dealer was don't kill me, man. And so it's interesting because it is such an epidemic, and he came from the same community as your daughter, and I think that some communities are targeted more than others. But let's talk about Amanda. How do you feel like it started? She was not always a drug addict, she was a, she was a cheerleader, she was a model. She won modeling competitions. To talk to us about Amanda, who was she did?

Speaker 3: 5:52

a Mccauley Amanda. Amanda was a happy little girl. She just loved life. She was. She was great to be around. Everybody wanted to be around. There's nobody will ever say that she wasn't a pleasant person to be around. She was fun, she really did. She enjoyed life and she loved it. She had a dream. She wanted to pursue her dream and unfortunately, covid hit Amanda did.

Speaker 3: 6:20

She did like smoke and weed at a young age and her reason she told me and I'll never forget, when she was 13 years old she was sitting in her bedroom and she said mom, she said her cousin, kayla, her, they, they. She says we tried weed and she says and we really liked it. It made us laugh and we didn't care that, that we didn't have friends in school or all the stress of school and in life. Once I said kids go through or going through a lot now and that was an issue. That was always an issue for me because I made her a little too chill. I don't want her smoking weed at 13 years old.

Speaker 3: 7:02

And how would he even say to a child that tells you and they're honest. She was always honest. She was so honest with everything and even at the end, when she was addicted. She was just such a sweetheart. But I just looking back the schools, I just wish I knew more on how, with drugs like I don't think parents, we don't there are so many people that put on prescription pills, but the drugs were really not taught enough about how to even deal with it, and I just think right.

Speaker 2: 7:37

A lot of parents are clueless.

Speaker 3: 7:39

I had no idea until my daughter was got addicted to it what fentanyl was. How can we as bad as it is, how can we not know? How can the schools I just really and they can't really teach it because nobody really knows. That's why we got to just get it out there the best way. I really think the play, I really think it's going to be a great start. It's hard to make change, let's face it. Change is hard to do, especially in our schools. I'm going to have a long road ahead of me, but I really think the play is a great way to start. I just would love for I want kids to see how it's just going to be. My Amanda was like all kids are happy, most kids are happy.

Speaker 3: 8:21

We start out until you get the pressures of so much.

Speaker 2: 8:26

So was that normal in her world, 13, 14 in your community? Is that like a normal thing for the kids to be smoking weed?

Speaker 3: 8:34

Is it pretty much a common epidemic right now, or back then I'm going to say, yes, I'm going to say that I probably tried it young. I never liked it myself, but I do know the people.

Speaker 2: 8:48

and then you know, today it's legal.

Speaker 1: 8:51

Right.

Speaker 2: 8:51

And the message is it's harmless.

Speaker 1: 8:53

It really isn't legal, but we'll go with it. Okay, all right.

Speaker 3: 8:55

Here's the whole thing. What I want to even say with that is a lot of people think that weed because it is so accepted now, because it is being legalized places.

Speaker 1: 9:06

We're not nationally, not federally, just statewide. So, you could still break federal law.

Speaker 2: 9:11

Oh wow, Interesting.

Speaker 3: 9:13

But you have to be. I just was talking to a man recently. I'm telling him about my daughter and he said my granddaughter died from fentanyl also 23 years old, he said, and she never liked pills, she didn't do pills, she liked smoking weed and it got laced in her weight and and she even had the same dealer forever. I don't even think dealers. That's why we're never going to get rid of that. I don't know, I can't do that. That's why, if we could teach our kids to make better choices and let's face it, life's about choices and making good choices, so it's something you got, you have to think about which, which is, I just wish our schools more socialization today, with the way things have changed, I don't feel like our schools are changing with the time. So did they're still doing the same teaching, we're testing and they're taking the I think also.

Speaker 1: 10:11

I think you hit on something that's very important too is the parents need to be more involved.

Speaker 2: 10:16

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 10:18

Technology to take over parenting, which is what a lot? Of parents have done, unfortunately and it's really not. That's a big part of it. The schools are important Absolutely. The parents in the home sitting down and having a meal with your child, asking that child how that day went what's going on with your life? Yeah, keeping involved, that's a big part of it too.

Speaker 3: 10:38

Well, 100%, and I was, I was completely involved in in Amanda's life. That's why I'm able to even write her story, cause I know her whole journey in Amanda being that she was honest also, but tears, and that you're. Yes, parents have to teach their kids everything, but if they don't know what?

Speaker 1: 10:59

yeah, I'm, I'm. I'm going to say I'm not. This is the point you've. I think it was said to me is that when your kids are between the ages of zero and six is when you have the most influence on them. After that it's a crap shoot to some degree and you could not have because of the autonomy you need to give your children to learn they do and they make a bad choice in it. Sometimes it it doesn't turn out well.

Speaker 3: 11:28

No, it's it and it's tough because the technology, we want our kids to have it, because, I'll you know, they need it today.

Speaker 1: 11:35

You even need you have to have your phone and it can be used to educate people.

Speaker 3: 11:38

I mean you can't be with your kids 24 seven also, and there's a lot of peer pressure, so a lot of things happen. That's why I really feel strongly about a little bit of changes in our school adding, adding things and yes.

Speaker 2: 11:52

So I have a question when did Amanda realize that she had a problem? Did she know that she like? When did she first pick up fentanyl or what? Did she know that she was addicted to fentanyl, or did she? Was it other drugs that she was using and then it was laced with fentanyl? Tell it for people who don't know the story. Tell us a little bit about how she went from weed to now being addicted to bigger drugs. I know.

Speaker 3: 12:21

I know I still every day ask myself how cause she even? I remember having a conversation with her she's and when I was learning about the drugs in that and she says, don't worry. She says I just like my weed. How's my daughter dead from fentanyl when she just liked her weed? But they're laced in in everything. I don't know if she got it before this happened, but when she did move out to California they were. She was having anxiety cause she had asthma and she was very worried with the pandemic and they were passing out Xanax and they were laced with fentanyl.

Speaker 3: 13:02

And she did get addicted and, and she did get addicted, and, and she did get addicted.

Speaker 2: 13:05

Yeah, wow. And then she was out there to pursue her dreams, but then that she actually got addicted to the drugs and the drugs.

Speaker 3: 13:12

And yes, and then she got worried she didn't want to die her thing. Where she told me and she said I just smoke. I said, amanda, you can't do drugs, you're gonna get that, the fentanyl is gonna get you. And she's no, I just do fentanyl, I smoke fentanyl, so I don't die. So she thought, if she just Did a tiny bit and that's what she did, she had it under control.

Speaker 1: 13:41

Yeah so.

Speaker 3: 13:42

I'm sure that you might be out there and think that, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2: 13:45

And you probably talked to a lot of parents and I know that your story resonates to a lot of people who've lost somebody who they thought they would never lose to drugs no. So I'm sure that you telling your story, and even the play, or really there's something helpful for parents who've been through it, who feel like they might be blaming themselves, like how could this have happened To literally hear somebody else's story and to walk through that with that? Like you said, you talked to somebody's Grandfather yes in or father or something, but that has to be pretty healing and What'd you say? Hope from tragedy to really talk to other people in, help them Walk through the process.

Speaker 2: 14:23

Have you been able to experience that? I know you still grieve. And I know it's still fresh, but you have had engagements where you're able to talk to schools, you're able to talk to churches and recovery groups. Talk to us a little bit about that.

Speaker 3: 14:38

Since Amanda died. I Talked to everybody about it. I just it does help for me, but it's, it's crazy how many people are being Affected by this. Because, yeah, it, I knew it was a lot. We hear the numbers, but wow, it's.

Speaker 1: 14:59

Staggering it's just unbelievable.

Speaker 3: 15:01

And the people because I lost my daughter, they they want to share their story with me.

Speaker 1: 15:06

I have a lot of people that that share their story and there's a lot of people listening here that how, donna, how could somebody help with what you're trying to do? How is there a place they can go as their website or something they can go to?

Speaker 3: 15:17

yes, donate or thank you time.

Speaker 1: 15:19

Treasure or talent.

Speaker 3: 15:21

Yeah, yes, matter of fact, I am having the play and I'm hoping to get more donations so we are able to have a successful sponsors donation Go a wake up call dot org.

Speaker 1: 15:35

AM.

Speaker 3: 15:36

Wake up call you can donate, and very shortly we will be having tickets for sale on the powers powers website website yes and, yes, I went to suggest.

Speaker 1: 15:48

I have a friend that did a Play for veterans and he has counselors there to help people After the play. If they need that assistance and you could probably get some people to volunteer to come and be there or To have that accessibility, because you're going to be opening up some wounds with this.

Speaker 3: 16:10

Wow and also. Get, getting some community together always beneficial it will be for everybody. I would love to see Parents with their kids. I want kids there. I want kids to see this play. I would like Attics come see the play. Everybody's impacted it to this and we really need to start reaching out and helping each other and stop looking down on people because Addictions it's real.

Speaker 1: 16:40

It is it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 16:42

I think that sometimes, like you said, we can't scare people but we can't share. And I think that, like I was just like if, basically, I had an idea for a billboard campaign where it shows some of the faces that have died because of drug overdose and to say I was just like you, I was the life of the party. I was just like you, I wanted to be a model, I was just like you, I just I was going to college because so many of the students, so many people, and if you're in college and you're partying with the frat boys or the sorority sisters or Just in the parties, and then all of a sudden everybody else seems to be able to go back to school, take care of the business, and then you have a problem, You're not going to be the first one to say, hey, I got a problem. You're still going to end up process of fitting in and it's such a complicated time growing up.

Speaker 1: 17:28

You know it always. Yeah, it's complicated, yeah, yeah, people have to realize that you get more information in one day than somebody in 1951 got in a lifetime and that's what I was going to teach it why I shoot. I have always got to remember that these guys are not going to remember everything I say. Yeah and you have to make everything experiential in that moment. It's just like when you have them at that play, getting something.

Speaker 3: 17:56

Yes.

Speaker 1: 17:57

Permanent is important.

Speaker 3: 17:58

They did say that the and we're we are discussing that. We're About talking about things they have that sometimes after powers is big, so that might be. That's definitely something I'm going to think about. But my biggest thing is my, my Amanda, where I really feel People need to not be ashamed. She you feel like you're alone when you have an addiction.

Speaker 1: 18:23

You feel like you're so Absolutely, because we're ashamed we're ashamed and I'm, I am.

Speaker 3: 18:27

She said to me she's a small, I just hate some things are done and I'm just so shamed and I said it doesn't matter. No, it does not matter. Yeah, it is we, we got to make it it's. We definitely want to stop addiction before it starts. But if you are struggling right now, you, you gotta be able to talk about it. It's yeah, so many people why we think we're alone. So many people are struggling right now. Yeah, it's tough times, tough.

Speaker 2: 18:56

Yeah, and you can't go back. I'm sure this message goes to all the. Once you stop and you get clean, you can't say, let me just use one more time. That's because, the system is detoxing and not Get so many people just that. Hey, just one more time. Just a little bit. Let me try it again. Just a little bit. So that's Amanda was off.

Speaker 3: 19:17

She was off and that's why she probably did shit. The toxicology Did they, and I'm almost positive she used the term speck. She had, wow, just a speck of fentanyl and Nothing else. A speck, it that's all takes yeah and that's the problem too, is you can't relapse. You can't relapse, you'll die.

Speaker 2: 19:42

Anybody that's had fentanyl in them and was doing it the crazy thing is this is a created synthetic drug brought into the country to do warfare on our young people or on our people on people. It's a synthetically created drug Literally hitting the streets to kill the hopes into dreams and tear families apart. And, like you said, greg, the prescription drugs Literally set people up for that as well, like later on and down the road. So it's crazy.

Speaker 1: 20:10

It's crazy and that. Look at the whole broad spectrum of truly.

Speaker 2: 20:13

This is not even a natural substance. It's a Synthetic that's designed. So, yeah, we do need to raise awareness. I love what you're doing out of that tragedy that you've experienced. I can't even imagine and I've met several in your family and you guys have. Sometimes tragedy tears people apart and you guys have come together to really spread this message and that's we have Adam.

Speaker 3: 20:35

I'm very blessed. I'm very blessed my, my family and I've made my team. They knew I wanted to do something and they stepped right in and I've been blessed with family and friends Helping me get this started, because we did do it right away, because, because of my family, they said let's go, and that's great.

Speaker 1: 20:56

You're fine. Yeah, as we talked about before we started, you're providing hope when there's tragedy. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 3: 21:03

Thank you, thank you and that's it I. That's what gets me out of bed every day there. There has to be a reason for Amanda steps Just can't be. She just.

Speaker 1: 21:16

You're going to save lives. You are. That's gonna happen. Yeah, there's no doubt that you've probably Just bad people are seeing you this and sharing this program You're gonna have that discussion being had yes and not.

Speaker 3: 21:30

And you, debbie, you didn't mention the prescription drugs we have to definitely be more aware of, not just parents, teachers, doctors Prescription drugs have to be the last resort for our children. I have a hard time with the fact that and I'm only gonna go on my story because everybody's different but my Amanda was put on prescription drugs as a child in Elementary school, and I didn't know any better. I trusted not to put blame, but she's too young to even make a choice. I personally think prescription drugs are sitting our kids up for Addiction, and I've talked to so many mothers say the same thing and we're not even. They're not even old enough to say I Don't want to take a prescription truck, you know they don't know.

Speaker 1: 22:33

They don't know they listening to her mom and dad.

Speaker 3: 22:35

You should have to be at least 18 to make their choice if they want to be put on a prescription drug. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:43

Think about it sharing that.

Speaker 2: 22:44

That's yeah, I can't even I.

Speaker 1: 22:48

I was a billion. It's a multi-billion dollar.

Speaker 2: 22:50

It is it's wrong because the kids easy. Kids are easy targets. Because they already don't want to be in school. There's a reason. Oh, they don't want to sit there, so make my job easier by putting them on prescription drugs Unfortunately.

Speaker 3: 23:03

That's how it is, but that's why no blame. But teachers are so stressed with meeting, they have too much pressure on them. So when you have a kid that doesn't get it as fast as another, or maybe they're a little bit like Amanda wasn't a bad kid but she got an IEP and she struggled a little bit with needing help, so she needed that extra help. That's when she got put on the prescription drug, but it's. And then my son was just more active so they wanted to put him on Instead. He had an amazing teacher, mrs Watts. I got blessed her. I said I'm not doing it to my son because I knew it was now becoming a problem. I said I'm not medicating him and she'll never forget she took.

Speaker 3: 23:57

He didn't want to hold still in kindergarten he started. He thought it was playtime, but when he did get second grade he had it. So she had him sit still with a rug. He had to carry a rug around and when they had to sit still and not touch each other, he had to sit there or he didn't get to go to recess. And I tell this story because it worked. It was just one teacher taking the time out to say okay, so if you're not going to prescribe. Put him on something to mellow him out. No, he's a boy. I want him to be a boy. I want to zombie him out. It just worked. He said by the next year, after he outgrew, that the next year was fine was with knowing. I need to keep my hands to myself because he has on that road.

Speaker 2: 24:46

It worked.

Speaker 3: 24:47

And you know what did they do with that? We were kids. They didn't give us. There were no prescription drugs. We had to figure out a way or sit in the corner or something, but don't just put them on.

Speaker 1: 24:59

Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 3: 25:00

I just don't.

Speaker 1: 25:02

Just swung the pendulum too far. One way, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 25:06

Absolutely. Yeah, this is I'm glad to know that you're. I'm excited so many people have are familiar with the billboards.

Speaker 3: 25:13

Yes.

Speaker 2: 25:14

But now to know that the next stage is sharing it through a play? Yes, and, like you said, people learn visually, they connect through story. Yes, so to be able to share that.

Speaker 3: 25:23

Thank you, I'm a vehicle learner, thank you, yeah absolutely.

Speaker 1: 25:27

And I think it's still again. What work can they get involved or donate?

Speaker 3: 25:30

AMwakeupcallorg.

Speaker 1: 25:32

AMwakeupcallorg.

Speaker 3: 25:34

That's the website.

Speaker 1: 25:35

Yes.

Speaker 3: 25:36

Reach out to me, I could give my phone number.

Speaker 1: 25:39

You'll actually come and speak to correct.

Speaker 3: 25:41

Oh, absolutely Okay, I'm on a mission to. I have three grandchildren and, yes, I want to make change for our next generation. The drug, the whole, how to control with the drugs. We just fell off everybody's so busy. I know we used to have dare when we were younger. I don't believe dares any longer. I haven't seen it for a while. But I just, yeah, we just have to education, we just communication, all of it.

Speaker 1: 26:14

We got. We've got to have a little bit of fun you have to do that. And I wonder about it. I didn't tell her it was, but we have to know. Your favorite pizza place in youngster? Oh, I got one. Oh, what's that?

Speaker 3: 26:27

Oh well, I got quite a few.

Speaker 1: 26:28

What's your?

Speaker 3: 26:29

favorite. I have to say oh my goodness.

Speaker 1: 26:32

You can say to it's, it's Elton, elton.

Speaker 2: 26:36

I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: 26:38

But it's so. It's so greasy and yummy and I'm almost positive it's Swiss cheese, which a lot of people.

Speaker 1: 26:47

Give their secrets away now. Oh I'm sorry, Wait a second. It really is.

Speaker 3: 26:52

I have to say Youngstown, Ohio, we got some damn good people here?

Speaker 1: 26:57

Oh yes, we do, yes, yes. What about what's your favorite? Chocolate. You like chocolate.

Speaker 3: 27:02

Oh, I love chocolate White, or dark. Oh, it's got to be dark chocolate, without a doubt, because it's better for you.

Speaker 1: 27:08

Not only it, here we go, here we go, absolutely. Talk to me, yeah, no, not only is it better for you.

Speaker 3: 27:14

Antioxidants A little bit of dark chocolate. If you start eating dark chocolate, you can eat milk chocolate.

Speaker 2: 27:20

You like that rich? Yes, I agree. Dark chocolate, 100% Lent, dark chocolate truffles oh my goodness, that's my yeah. Okay, some dieting, go ahead, that's funny. Spicy or sweet, oh spicy.

Speaker 3: 27:35

Really, I like spicy, I like spicy. I can't, yeah, oh yeah, she likes spicy. Miracle with mayonnaise. Oh, I try to stay away from both because there's so much fat, there you go.

Speaker 1: 27:47

That's a good answer, so I try not to do either one, but favorite movie.

Speaker 3: 27:52

Oh, okay, I'm going to have to say this just because it is one of my favorites, but Right now I keep talking about this movie, selena, because it was my daughter's favorite movie and I'm sorry because I was just talking about this earlier and it is how I want my Amanda's play to In Selena the movie. I don't know if you've seen it before, but oh yeah, she starts out a young.

Speaker 3: 28:20

My girl and she's just so alive and it's her whole dream. And my Amanda was top model. She did sign with agencies and she was so good at acting, she was an actor and she was just great at taking pictures. The girls just couldn't figure out how she could just beat them out. They were so poised. Amanda was just very natural. She was just able to go and be photographed but. But she loved that movie. We did, we watched it a lot, but she watched it. Actually she watched it the day before she died. She liked it so much so I really her play. I want to have that same. It was a good movie, even though she dies at the end.

Speaker 1: 29:02

It was.

Speaker 2: 29:06

If you haven't watched Selena, you just need to go.

Speaker 3: 29:13

Good movie, but that's just what came to mind because I was talking about it summer or winter, oh. Oh, I hate winter. I am not gonna be, here again oh it's absolutely summer's not my favorite. I'm a spring of fall girl. I don't like girl, I don't like a roll hot no okay, there you go, all right, last question Okay, friend fry.

Speaker 1: 29:34

Favorite oh I, young town of Ohio, that's another one. We make a lot of good french fries.

Speaker 3: 29:38

Yeah, okay. Oh, my goodness, I try not to eat from try. Yeah, but you have but I have, oh, oh, I says that with confidence. I don't know, is it from being a kid? Mcdonald's.

Speaker 1: 29:50

Okay.

Speaker 2: 29:52

Yeah, but they got to be warm once, cold, cold.

Speaker 3: 29:56

There's really good fries out there.

Speaker 1: 29:57

now I know that all right, thank you again. Website.

Speaker 3: 30:01

I am wakeup callorg.

Speaker 1: 30:03

All right, thank you. Don't you take you for?

Speaker 2: 30:05

having me yeah.